Thanks steve I just picked these up serial number's 1018 ,1029 they have the original box's and stands since they were early they would need some work wrong looked like new cloth not stained or stretched or faded. well they will need some tweeter and foam but wrong again they had been sent back to the factory at some time all new back wired tweeters new woofers AR9 type . plug and play. I will be doing a cap job on them and I have some original woofer I can put in. First time these were close enough to pick up the last ones I got mailed one was smashed. want to do a cap job on them first then see if the new woofers make a diff other then handling more power.