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The thread was moved to the section of the site that is for peoples' pictures of their systems. If anything, I probably waited too long to move it  Feel free to complain to the site owner if you feel it is inappropriate.

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Today, in the spirit of this thread, using an Iphone 5s, I made video and audio files of some Van Morrison and Copland to see if I could produce something decent enough to share here.  After several attempts, I determined the best results were recorded too close to the system to get the speakers in the picture so I focused on the sound with the idea that before I posted anything I would “eat my own dog food” by first playing back the files on my systems.  

 Bottom line is, for low dynamic range material that features a vocalist the sound was constrained but would have passed the computer speaker test.  When I played back the first minute of Fanfare for the Common Man, on Telarc, it became obvious that an Iphone 5s cannot capture the dynamic range that is being heard by my ears.  It was in no way a reasonable facsimile.  

FM. You have a fine Apple computer that will natively play hi res digital files.  If you connect it through an inexpensive DAC or even directly through RCAs to your Preamp and listen to your recording, you will hear what I am talking about.  I know your LSTs do not sound like smartphone recordings.

BTW the computer on which this post was composed has the same Altec computer speakers you describe purchasing in 2001 and I agree they are adequate for assessing music files to gauge interest but I use their headphone jack most of the time.

Adams

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Contrary to what you say, the iPhone has a notably good audio and frequency response https://kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-5s-audio-quality.htm

It's what you use for your listening components and room that matter, and especially judging from images that you've shown I'm forced to wonder as others would, if the room and speakers are properly arranged or if any sort of accurate statements/listening can be made. Fanfare for the Common Man is hardly a good piece to use for a thorough or even brief comparison as it is somewhat limited in its presentation and certainly too lengthy.

If this is what you're using as shown in your foto below, I'd like to see the rest of the room as shown from a your typical seating perspective  before I would find fault with your phone's ability.

6-26-19 copy.jpg

To aid in understanding, I'm sure we'd all like to hear a sampling of what  your playback sounds like as this is what this thread is all about.

If you're not receiving a good quality from my video clips, something is askew on your end for certain.

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3 hours ago, frankmarsi said:

If you're not receiving a good quality from my video clips, something is askew on your end for certain.

I am glad to see you did not abandon your thread. 

First, you should play back your file on your LSTs instead of computer speakers before you try it out on others.

Re the 5s:

You are correct about the 5s, but the article you reference is strictly concerning the accuracy of the 5s DAC output and not its A to D conversion recording through its mic.   I agree with you and Ken Rockwell, the Apple DACs contained within their airplay products, are surprisingly good bargains. You happen to have one in your MacBook Pro which is an excellent digital front end.  Have you ever to used it as a hi fidelity music source?  You can use it to play your recording back on those LSTs

I am also glad you found my photo.   Taken out of context, it does appear I have a mess on my hands but If you will read the post in which it was contained, you know it was a temporary test configuration from over a year ago.

BTW I am all for the intent of this thread.  I just don’t see how listening to smartphone recordings on computer speakers achieves anything worthwhile. 

Re: Fanfare for the Common Man:   it plays for less time than most popular songs and has powerful transients going from silence to very loud in a hurry but, with a quality recording, everything about the dynamic and musical range of the piece is disclosed in the first minute or maybe even the first 30 seconds.   There are other options.  What would you suggest?

I would be happy to hear a smartphone recording of your LSTs playing HDR material of your choice. 

Adams

 

 

 

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I repeat: "If you're not receiving a good quality from my video clips, something is askew on your end for certain". I have sent files to life-long stereo friends who have excellent systems and they were amazed of the very good quality.

I'm getting excellent listening results as does anyone who has decent computer speakers and, I made mention of that requirement in the beginning of my post.

I'm not here to enlighten you, nor do I care as I'm truly only interested in the pleasure that my over 50+ years of consumer audio experience and knowledge give me in my main system.

I have read the repetitive, monotonous and self admission of futility in the silly 'Blaster' whatever posts that have ended in no useful results for anyone. Even an honored and respected member here has told you, that you could never replicate an AR-LST with dog tail chasing.

It seems you expect me and others to pay credence and lend an ear to your posts. I don't have any need to, and typically as a matter of course automatically pass them by.

If you seek credibility, show me, and everyone else here on this site, what your listening to, tell us of your components that are used and include a clip of

what is heard in your room and perhaps I might be able to understand. You haven't done so,  and yet I have listed all of my components, cabling, high-end cartridges and so on and even showed multiple sound clips. While you are continuously skirting and avoiding the issues at hand while not offering any substantial proof.

The proof is in the listening. After all of my time-in, my 50+ years of learning experiences and dedicated practices of precision set-up 'front-ends' affording me the best system I've ever had in my entire audio life has no need to stop off for such foolishness to please anyone but myself and my visiting guests who are always elated and leave emotionally moved by the sound, and sound quality they've just heard.

 Avoidance, and hiding behind the shield of the internet while double talking is lessening all potential believability.

The ball is in your court, show us a short clip that is representative of the sound you hear from your listening position as I and other members have done and things would change in terms of what I have already mentioned. Show us some views of your listening room or at least two sides of a four walled room showing component and speaker placement.

To reiterate; my $59. pay as you go phone renders excellent results both audibly and photographically though, maybe not as good as your expensive Iphone can but, can certainly offer an insight to one who has ears that know what to listen for.

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I would say there is a good chance the mic on your new J3 is better than the mic on my 6 year old Iphone 5s.  Try your J3 with an HDR recording then play it back on your LSTs   Once you hear it on the system from which it was recorded we may have a basis for conversation otherwise,  I think you are just trying to be provocative and we are talking past each other.

 

 

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On 6/26/2019 at 2:58 PM, Aadams said:

I would say there is a good chance the mic on your new J3 is better than the mic on my 6 year old Iphone 5s.  Try your J3 with an HDR recording then play it back on your LSTs   Once you hear it on the system from which it was recorded we may have a basis for conversation otherwise,  I think you are just trying to be provocative and we are talking past each other.

 

 

On 6/26/2019 at 2:58 PM, Aadams said:

I would say there is a good chance the mic on your new J3 is better than the mic on my 6 year old Iphone 5s.  Try your J3 with an HDR recording then play it back on your LSTs   Once you hear it on the system from which it was recorded we may have a basis for conversation otherwise,  I think you are just trying to be provocative and we are talking past each other.

 

 

O.M.G. really?

Excuses, and more excuses, then, requests?  Photos please, where's your high-end laboratory/space in still fotos, I almost forgot you have video capability, show that too. Otherwise....... Then maybe it would nice if you list the degrees you hold, test documentation, test equipment used, microphones, mixers, DACs, room damping and cables used, along with comparative A-B recordings. Otherwise....... 

This thread is about the peaceful sharing of still fotos and or videos of member's systems. You come (butt-in) with comments such as "crap vinyl"  adding a negative tone and obviously directed at the thread's originator, which is me. Is there a chance you've read that I'm a dedicated vinyl person and owner of 7000+ vinyl disks replete with full 'brush&vacumm' and 'UltraSonic' cleaning methods. Have spent thousands of dollars on tonearms, high-end sota cartridges. Disrupting the enjoyment and fun some of us were having and still ignoring that this post is all about the sharing of members systems in that you won't show your's.

 What don't you get about a short video recorded amateur-style on a $59. camera/phone low quality format posted on this site in low-quality before you inject particular levels of comment?  People I know who have seen and listened have emailed me about how good it sounds and other's if equipped with decent CPU speakers are in complete agreement with my opinion

You've made this into a big production and as I've said in every post of mine that you've invaded, I'm done with it!

 

 

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Questioning peoples' opinions or methods is appropriate. Questioning personal motives is not. Stop now, or I'll kill this thread.

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On 6/19/2019 at 10:30 PM, JKent said:

What's the other black component in the stack?

Thanks Kent, I think I'll look into that recap. There is definitely a difference in sound when the 5's are connected to my father's Perreaux amps. Not massive,  but enough to be really pleasing. A recap of the 555a might close the gap. The old Perreaux's were bought for a few hundred dollars 10 years ago. Now, they cost a fortune, so out of my range.

The amp below the 555is a Sansui 101. It has been recapped and sounds great with the 18's. 

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On 6/20/2019 at 3:56 AM, ra.ra said:

Your system is really fine - - - projecting back to the middle late 70's and that would be a pretty high end rig, in my book. Those components seem very well matched and the sound is excellent on that SRV song. In fact, that is the exact same tune that member GD70 has used to demo his restored AR-3's at one of our local meetings of gearheads.  

Yes, great track, eh! I walked into the local charity shop just after someone dropped off a stack of vinyl including that album. Good day. Thanks for the feedback. I'm very happy with the 5's post resto and now with the correct woofers. 

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On 6/13/2019 at 4:30 AM, frankmarsi said:

Regarding cartridge choice, as I've mentioned above, for entry low cost ones, it's hard to beat the Audiotechnica AT-440ML series or the entry level Ortofon Red for moving magnets.

Thanks for the tips. Re. the 440ml,  do you know if the vm540, which has replaced it still do as good a job? The Ortofon 2M red is about a third the price of the AT over here. Maybe that's the best option. Do you think I'd notice a significant improvement over my current AT95E?

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