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I'm looking for feedback for re-foaming and re-coning services. In the past I've used Layne, who did a great job but took a very, very long time (and I understand they're currently incommunicado) and Millersounds, who did a great job and Bill Legrand is a heck of a nice guy. I know there are lots of others and perhaps different companies are better with different driver types. The types in question would be a Snell (maybe Vifa or Seas - I don't actually have it yet) 8" paper cone driver from the early 80s. I wouldn't hesitate to send it to Millersounds again, but maybe there's someone who specializes in this kind of thing.

Tried the DIY-route once, and it was a total disaster.

Thanks,

Dake

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>I'm looking for feedback for re-foaming and re-coning

>services. In the past I've used Layne, who did a great job but

>took a very, very long time (and I understand they're

>currently incommunicado) and Millersounds, who did a great job

>and Bill Legrand is a heck of a nice guy. I know there are

>lots of others and perhaps different companies are better with

>different driver types. The types in question would be a Snell

>(maybe Vifa or Seas - I don't actually have it yet) 8"

>paper cone driver from the early 80s. I wouldn't hesitate to

>send it to Millersounds again, but maybe there's someone who

>specializes in this kind of thing.

>

>Tried the DIY-route once, and it was a total disaster.

>

>Thanks,

>Dake

>

Check out my website at http://www.classicloudspeakerservices.com

You can see my refoaming/reconing capabilities there. I'm also based in New England, the origin of most of the discussion groups speaker types. I've refoamed Snell woofers for example.

Remember, it's all about the music

Carl

Carl's Custom Loudspeakers

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Guest Dake13

"Check out my website at

>http://www.classicloudspeakerservices.com

>You can see my refoaming/reconing capabilities there. I'm also

>based in New England, the origin of most of the discussion

>groups speaker types. I've refoamed Snell woofers for

>example."

Thanks Carl. When I had a pair of drivers done at Layne, the man said that there were often small differences in surrounds for 8" drivers and you had to be careful to get a good match. I know Advents, for example, require specially sized foam surrounds. Is there anything special to pay attention to with the 8" SEAS/Vifa drivers Snell uses? I just want to get the driver back to being as close to the original as possible. Bill Legrand did a great job, and they sound real good, but he did basically recone and rebuild the driver using other parts, and it looks physically different from the original.

Thanks,

Dake

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>"Check out my website at

>>http://www.classicloudspeakerservices.com

>>You can see my refoaming/reconing capabilities there. I'm

>also

>>based in New England, the origin of most of the

>discussion

>>groups speaker types. I've refoamed Snell woofers for

>>example."

>

>Thanks Carl. When I had a pair of drivers done at Layne, the

>man said that there were often small differences in surrounds

>for 8" drivers and you had to be careful to get a good

>match. I know Advents, for example, require specially sized

>foam surrounds. Is there anything special to pay attention to

>with the 8" SEAS/Vifa drivers Snell uses? I just want to

>get the driver back to being as close to the original as

>possible. Bill Legrand did a great job, and they sound real

>good, but he did basically recone and rebuild the driver using

>other parts, and it looks physically different from the

>original.

>

>Thanks,

>Dake

There are small differences in foam surrounds of any size. They come in varying degrees of stiffness. What I do on a refoam job is pick the one closest to the one I'm replacing. There is no exact science to this unless I have access to Vifa's original parts. However, I don't; same as most independent reconers. You'll have to go back to Vifa or find a factory authorized service center if you want an EXACT match. Typically, authorized service centers have exclusive access to original repair parts. JBL is a glaring example. You can't get their parts unless you are an authorized service person.

What I can tell you is that I've done many, many refoam jobs and haven't had a complaint yet about mismatching the surround. I use US made, high quality surrounds.

Remember, it's all about the music

Carl

Carl's Custom Loudspeakers

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Guest Dake13

>

>There are small differences in foam surrounds of any size.

>They come in varying degrees of stiffness. What I do on a

>refoam job is pick the one closest to the one I'm replacing.

>There is no exact science to this unless I have access to

>Vifa's original parts. However, I don't; same as most

>independent reconers. You'll have to go back to Vifa or find a

>factory authorized service center if you want an EXACT match.

>Typically, authorized service centers have exclusive access to

>original repair parts. JBL is a glaring example. You can't get

>their parts unless you are an authorized service person.

>

>What I can tell you is that I've done many, many refoam jobs

>and haven't had a complaint yet about mismatching the

>surround. I use US made, high quality surrounds.

>

>Remember, it's all about the music

>

>Carl

>Carl's Custom Loudspeakers

Thanks Carl. I got the drivers today and it looks like he went an refoamed them himself, as a favor to me. Looks like he did a decent job, but I'll have to listen to them. He has a lot of experience with vintage equipment. If I don't feel right about them, can I drop you an email and see about getting them refoamed again? Maybe you'd rather not, I know that glue is a pain to get off once it sets.

Dake

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Guest paulc

I am also needing such services and am looking around. Would be for Allison One woofers (needed very soon)and possibly mids and the 12" woofers from a pair of AR9's.

I got an e-mail from someone who is local to where I live, but I want to also check out the businesses that do this. I can't seem to find "MillerSounds." Is there some kind of web site, or is it telephone only?

I also came across a place at www.simplyspeakers.com (Florida outfit). I wrote them asking a few questions.

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Guest Primoz Zertek

I have an epi microtower mt3 speakers.The drivers should be pro 24 for bass/full and pro 2 for tweeters.These little 4.5" bass drivers have round magnet, but mine have square type.Sorround is a tiny cloth impregnated with something like silicone.You can see the light trough if you face them towards the lamp.Any idea what I have?Refoamed?Or maybe substitutes?Thanks.

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>I have an epi microtower mt3 speakers.The drivers should be

>pro 24 for bass/full and pro 2 for tweeters.These little

>4.5" bass drivers have round magnet, but mine have square

>type.Sorround is a tiny cloth impregnated with something like

>silicone.You can see the light trough if you face them towards

>the lamp.Any idea what I have?Refoamed?Or maybe

>substitutes?Thanks.

Originals look like CTS XS-510, inexpensive driver, $2.50 around 1969-70. Believe the magnet just depended on the supplier, both 10 oz, as I recall.

Some claim that this Pioneer is a replacement:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cf...tnumber=290-010

I don't believe that it is an exact substitute.

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>Originals look like CTS XS-510, inexpensive driver, $2.50

>around 1969-70. Believe the magnet just depended on the

>supplier, both 10 oz, as I recall.

>

>Some claim that this Pioneer is a replacement:

>

>http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cf...tnumber=290-010

>

>I don't believe that it is an exact substitute.

I dismounted one.

5001

137-7619

MEXICO

is written on back.Mt-3's were produced between '74-78'.

http://www.classicspeakerpages.net/dc/user_files/1554.txt

http://www.classicspeakerpages.net/dc/user_files/1555.jpg

1554.txt

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>I can't

>seem to find "MillerSounds." Is there some kind of

>web site, or is it telephone only?

>

Try Bill at:

Millersound Labs, 1422 Taylor Road, Lansdale, PA 19446, Phone 215-412-7700 Fax 215-412-0542

I have not used him myself, but he has an excellent rep among those in the know. So does Minh Luong, a member here.

I did my own refoaming of AR2ax woofers with a nice complete kit from MSound, with excellent email support. It is not really difficult, but not for the feint of heart--you need the hand of a surgeon and the patience of a saint. I've heard many people say it's "easy," but I've also read about people buying used speakers with botched refoam jobs! Read up on it at the MSound web site:

http://www.citlink.net/~msound/

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I've used Freeman-Tuell in Dallas, Texas for almost thirty years for reconing speakers (drive-in speakers, school A/V stuff, etc), and they're great. They're also a JBL Pro authorized repair center.

Freeman-Tuell Speaker

7911 Ferguson Rd

Dallas, 75228

(214) 324-1132

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Guest MarkAnderson

Those drivers (CTS) are original to the MT3's. One of my pair was fitted with the same drivers. The other was fitted with almost identical drivers made by Rola - go figure. Tweeters, of course, were the venerable inverted-dome "air-spring"......um, tweeters.

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