Howard Ferstler Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 This is my last visit and last post. I leave the field to Zilch, speakerdave, Ken, genek, and so forth. I move on to enjoying my throwback audio systems and my recording and book collections. Incidentally, I have removed all of the attachments that I previously installed in posts (pictures, graphs, PDF article reprints, etc.), because if I leave this place my stuff leaves, too. I only wish I could eliminate all of my posted messages. Those still itching to view graphs of any kind need only scope those supplied by Zilch, but don't expect to see any photos of his listening room.PS: at least, when I was here I used my real name, which is more than I can say for some of you people.Howard Ferstler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genek Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 If anyone posting to the forums would like to remove any of their posts, for any reason, I can do that for you. Send me a request by PM. Specify whether you want all your posts removed, or if you want specific posts removed, send me a link to them. You can obtain a link to a post by selecting its post number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlspeak Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 This is my last visit and last post. I leave the field to Zilch, speakerdave, Ken, genek, and so forth. I move on to enjoying my throwback audio systems and my recording and book collections. Incidentally, I have removed all of the attachments that I previously installed in posts (pictures, graphs, PDF article reprints, etc.), because if I leave this place my stuff leaves, too. I only wish I could eliminate all of my posted messages. Those still itching to view graphs of any kind need only scope those supplied by Zilch, but don't expect to see any photos of his listening room.PS: at least, when I was here I used my real name, which is more than I can say for some of you people.Howard FerstlerSad to see you go Howard.It reminds me of a once well known book and movie - Howard's End..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysontom Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 This is my last visit and last post. I leave the field to Zilch, speakerdave, Ken, genek, and so forth. I move on to enjoying my throwback audio systems and my recording and book collections. Incidentally, I have removed all of the attachments that I previously installed in posts (pictures, graphs, PDF article reprints, etc.), because if I leave this place my stuff leaves, too. I only wish I could eliminate all of my posted messages. Those still itching to view graphs of any kind need only scope those supplied by Zilch, but don't expect to see any photos of his listening room.PS: at least, when I was here I used my real name, which is more than I can say for some of you people.Howard FerstlerThis is really too bad that Howard is leaving this forum, and it is a real loss to the people who enjoy Allison and AR speakers. Someone on this forum has apparently "pushed" the wrong button and has made him feel unwanted. The real loss to forum members is Howard's immense knowledge of Allison speakers -- perhaps more than anyone except Roy Allison himself -- and this loss will be felt by many of the forum members.It is especially unfortunate that this part of the forum has become a place for emotional outbursts regarding this hobby. The hobby should be fun and constructive, and it probably would be were it not for a few individuals who repeatedly engage in disparaging the old icons of high fidelity, in essence the "start" of problems regarding this type of discussion. Piling on to this are some well-known people in the trade, eager to criticize some of the old established names in audio. Constructive criticism is one thing; disparagement is quite another, and the latter is what we seem to have in the Kitchen. In the end, fortunately, the "disparaging" arguments in the Kitchen will have no effect on audio history. AR, for example, is not going to be relegated to some sort of "farcical side show," just because a few have down-played the importance of AR's live-vs.-recorded concerts or its contribution of the acoustic-suspension design. Ironically, the ones who have criticized the most have contributed the least, so perhaps it is a normal part of human nature. But the loss here will be contributor Howard Ferstler, and that probably will be felt by those who are interested in refurbishing old Allison (and AR) speakers.--Tom Tyson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilch Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 For the record, which there is some likelihood will disappear, The Kitchen began here:Interestingly, I recently finished reading a copy of Floyd Toole's new book on loudspeakers and rooms, and in there Toole basically dismisses the AR live-vs-recorded presentations as mostly being entertainment for people who were unsophisticated by modern audio standards. I think this is a preposterous claim, but it is obvious that if one embraces the validity of what Villchur did it invalidates much of what Toole says about speaker sound in his book.I held Howard's feet to the fire over the course of his 700+ subsequent posts disparaging the work of thousands of researchers and loudspeaker designers who have since built upon the Villchur/Allison legacy as summarized by Toole. I am pleased that some of them stepped up in defense of their own work.Yes, I pushed Howard's button by actually measuring samples of speakers he has steadfastly asserted exhibit the superiority of vintage designs. I am NOT pleased that he here responds by taking his marbles and going home.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genek Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 The nature of the topic does not suspend the guidelines to not discuss other members. This topic is closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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