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The nerve!

Some guy in Hawaii copied MY photos of MY speakers in MY backyard and is representing them as his! Item number: 170216930866 Apparently ripped the photo off the CSP! Buyer beware!! :blink:

(Mine do happen to be for sale, but not on ebay)

Should I be mad or flattered?

Kent

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Violates eBay policy - you'd be doing folks a favor to report it.

It's even possible that the seller's acount has been hijacked.

Trying to report it is a very convoluted process. If your complaint does not fit a neat category, good luck getting help. I tried Live Chat, email, finally phoned. Got a very nice fellow in India, I assume, who walked me through how to navigate the email. Turns out I had to call it "theft of intellectual property."

Funny thing is, I recently removed that photo from CSP to free up space. Guess he's been saving it a while.

I'll let everyone know if this is resolved.

Kent

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Funny thing is, yesterday on eBay, I added this to my watch list. I was somewhat suspicious because this item was listed a few weeks ago. Something this nice would have sold. This seller probably used the re-listed offer eBay gives if an item doesn't sell. I called eBay before using either the 888-749-3229 or 800-322-9266 toll-free numbers and nothing happened. A buyer was selling speaker cabinets under the JBL Paragon name, and it was clearly something called Barzilay which I owned in the last 60's. A few days later these sold.

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ebay is not much help after all. They emailed me a link to a "Notice of Claimed Infringement" form that I have to fill out and fax (who has a fax machine???) back. It focuses on theft of intellectual property. I don't care about someone using my photo, but this guy claims to be selling my speakers! If someone buys whatever he is selling, they'll be getting something other than what they paid for!

btw--I was mistaken. My photo is still here, in the Library. Mark kindly attributed the pictures to me. Here they are:

http://www.classicspeakerpages.net/library...res_from_jkent/

Kent

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And this must be annoying too: On request, the guy will gladly send the prospective buyer MORE of your pictures!

He may actually have some speakers to sell, but 99% of the other things he has sold are model RR items. This always makes me suspect a hijacked account.

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The hassle that they've made you go through really puts the lie to all of the "security improvements" eBay claims to be making.

Here's an eBay member who recognizes that his *own photos* are being used in someone else's ad, and eBay does nothing but ask him to jump through hoops.

The irony is that if you contacted anyone who might bid on this item, you could, and probably *would* be bounced for "auction interference".

eBay began life as one of the best business models on the 'net - and whether through genius or good luck, it worked beautifully & grew successful.

It's a shame to see how poorly it is currently managed & directed.

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The hassle that they've made you go through really puts the lie to all of the "security improvements" eBay claims to be making.

Here's an eBay member who recognizes that his *own photos* are being used in someone else's ad, and eBay does nothing but ask him to jump through hoops.

The irony is that if you contacted anyone who might bid on this item, you could, and probably *would* be bounced for "auction interference".

eBay began life as one of the best business models on the 'net - and whether through genius or good luck, it worked beautifully & grew successful.

It's a shame to see how poorly it is currently managed & directed.

Well, FWIW a woman is running the show B) . Also, they most lilely have figured a way to cost cut the thing to death via automation and the experiences noted in prior posts above indicate they don't give a hoot about customer service.

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The nerve!

Some guy in Hawaii copied MY photos of MY speakers in MY backyard and is representing them as his! Item number: 170216930866 Apparently ripped the photo off the CSP! Buyer beware!! B)

(Mine do happen to be for sale, but not on ebay)

Should I be mad or flattered?

Kent

JKent,

perhaps some people that "visit" this forum email the seller and ask why they are posting images of the speakers that are not the ones actually for sale since the images are actually from the Classic Speaker Pages. Perhaps a hint at item misrepresentation might move this scurvy scalliwag to remove them, lest he be accused of some level of fraud.

-T

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The nerve!

Some guy in Hawaii copied MY photos of MY speakers in MY backyard and is representing them as his! Item number: 170216930866 Apparently ripped the photo off the CSP! Buyer beware!! B)

(Mine do happen to be for sale, but not on ebay)

Should I be mad or flattered?

Kent

I see the jolly gent from Hawaii has posted a comment about "someone trying to claim the image of his set of speakers is not the EBAY sellers image. So, in the interest of fair play here is the EBAY item 170216930866 (taken from the EBAY listing)and JKENT's image (taken from the Classic Speaker Library) side by side. Do they really look like the same image? C'mon, this is too easy. I assumed I was going to have to overlay parts of the images and have a look closer look. (figuring the guy edited the image). He didn't even do that.....

As you said, buyer beware. Oh, yes, by the way, I recall some comments in the letters section of Speaker Builder or Audio Amateur back in the 80's about the issue of speaker driver life in warm coastal climates (ah, the salt air....so ye fancy the life of a pirate aye?...), everything from metal contact corrosion to decay of diaphragm surrounds. And given that the AR2ax was discontinued around 1976.....

-T

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JKent,

perhaps some people that "visit" this forum email the seller and ask why they are posting images of the speakers that are not the ones actually for sale since the images are actually from the Classic Speaker Pages. Perhaps a hint at item misrepresentation might move this scurvy scalliwag to remove them, lest he be accused of some level of fraud.

-T

He has removed your pics but they are on two other past ebay listings of his I still sent a link to your pics and told him he might change his tone about using other pics

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Having been in touch with the seller, and politely explained the concern over authorship of the photograph in question, I believe the seller made a genuine mistake.

The communication quoted below hopefully illustrates how the confusion arose:

"Hello, The reason people are questioning you about the pictures is that the photograph (taken outdoors) has been recognized by the person who took it, and it is of his own set of AR-2ax speakers, which he restored, and still has in his possession.

(The cloth fronts of his speakers are unusual, in that they have small tabs of fabric on one edge; this can be seen in the picture you show.)

The photograph can be seen online, at the The Classic Speaker Pages:

Many collectors know this site, and have seen the picture that you claim shows your speakers, hence the suspicion.

I understand that it is possible that when you bought the speakers (on eBay), the previous seller may have been the one who 'appropriated' the picture of another's speakers, but it is out of courtesy that I am letting you know why you are being questioned on this subject. Regards, Robert_S"

The seller's reply:

"I bought the speakers from a person who had the outdoor picture and the living room picture on her listing. I have just added new pictures taken today with a calender showing May 2008. I used her pictures!"

-kurts7282

While there may be many pirates in the bay, I don't think this seller is one of them.

Robert_S

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Thank you to all members for your support. The photo has been removed, although in the listing he now says that I am a "kook" and that I "threatened" him using "vulgar" language.

fwiw, here is a copy of the email that he interpreted as kooky, vulgar and threatening:

Those are my speakers. You lifted the photo from classicspeakerpages. I have registered a complaint with ebay and will complete a "Notice of Claimed Infringement" complaint. It is incredible that you lie through your teeth and say they are "sitting in [your] den." Perhaps the OTHER speakers in the ad are yours (who knows?) but the ones photographed in my back yard certainly are not.

Maybe calling him a liar is vulgar. Maybe reporting him to ebay is threatening. I don't know. His latest email to me included:

"you have no right accusing me! I will remove it for the sake of argument. Just don't be such a dickhead!"

This has been very unpleasant and I'm glad I don't have to pursue it.

As I told the seller, I don't much care about the photo. I posted it here after all. My concern was that he was trying to sell MY speakers to an unsuspecting bidder, who would then receive HIS speakers instead.

sheesh!

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Having been in touch with the seller, and politely explained the concern over authorship of the photograph in question, I believe the seller made a genuine mistake.

The communication quoted below hopefully illustrates how the confusion arose:

"Hello, The reason people are questioning you about the pictures is that the photograph (taken outdoors) has been recognized by the person who took it, and it is of his own set of AR-2ax speakers, which he restored, and still has in his possession.

(The cloth fronts of his speakers are unusual, in that they have small tabs of fabric on one edge; this can be seen in the picture you show.)

The photograph can be seen online, at the The Classic Speaker Pages:

Many collectors know this site, and have seen the picture that you claim shows your speakers, hence the suspicion.

I understand that it is possible that when you bought the speakers (on eBay), the previous seller may have been the one who 'appropriated' the picture of another's speakers, but it is out of courtesy that I am letting you know why you are being questioned on this subject. Regards, Robert_S"

The seller's reply:

"I bought the speakers from a person who had the outdoor picture and the living room picture on her listing. I have just added new pictures taken today with a calender showing May 2008. I used her pictures!"

-kurts7282

While there may be many pirates in the bay, I don't think this seller is one of them.

Robert_S

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Arrgh matey, I be sailen the seven seas looking for a pair of these..... (sorry, couldn't resist. Great pirate image)

-T

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While there may be many pirates in the bay, I don't think this seller is one of them.

Maybe not, but I still wouldn't have a warm, fuzzy feeling of confidence about someone who could pull the grills off a pair of old AR speakers and not notice that they weren't the same speakers shown in pictures of a different pair. AR speakers didn't look remotely consistent until sometime in the mid-70's.

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Hey, I have a pair just like them in the picture but without the badges. During the restoration process the badges were misplaced. Anybody want to buy them cheap? B)

Here is the picture. As you can plainly see there are some similarities but the missing badges should confirm that these are not Kent's photos. :lol:

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AR speakers didn't look remotely consistent until sometime in the mid-70's.

I was fortunate in acquiring a pair of AR-2ax, some years back, in pristine original condition, absolutely immaculate; "The front grilles had never been removed, the cases had never been opened." (Serial Nos. MAX 008231 & MAX 009391, brass logo with red de-bossed "AR-2ax" lettering.) Their sole previous owner, an RAF pilot, had purchased them new during 1970, used them briefly at one location, then stored them untouched for years—until they came my way. I was able to determine, by sound, that a re-foam was necessary. When I took the front grilles off, I was initially surprised to see that the woofers clearly differed from each other, as did the size of the woofer aperture cut into the baffle board.

This was my introduction to the inconsistent look that you mention; I was intrigued, and researched accordingly.

The magnets were of the same design, open-style with taped sides, the cones matched, but the baskets were very different: one being a stamped-frame 10-inch-diameter woofer with 4-bolt mounting; the other, an 11-inch stamped-frame with 6-bolt mounting, which I understand, from reading Tom Tyson's erudite commentary, as being relatively rare. (Note the larger woofer was not the 10-inch service-replacement type with an 11-inch, 6-bolt, masonite ring riveted to the stamped 4-bolt frame.)

A close friend now enjoys these excellent speakers.

Robert_S

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