Guest Doug Murray Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Allison effect and Bestplace programHi everyone,I have been trying out the Bestplace program by RDL Acoustics, which I got from this website.Now, in this program, one sets the straight-line distances from the centre of the woofer to the 3 closest room boundaries, these being labelled as the front wall, the floor and the side-wall.It struck me that there is another boundary that is relevant for the Allison effect – the ceiling. Since this distance is potentially of the same order of magnitude as the others, does anyone know if Bestplace takes the ceiling distance into account in its calculation (i.e. assumes a ceiling height and subtracts the floor distance)?Please correct me if the 4th boundary distance is not relevant to the approximation.My room dimensions are 6.6 m (21.65 ‘) by 4.5 m (14.76’) by 2.4 m (7.87’).The woofer centre is 1.0 m (39.4”) from the floor, when on its stand. This gives a distance of 1.4 m (55”) from the woofer centre to the ceiling.Bestplace with distances of Floor = 39”, Front = 31”, side = 14” gives quite a good result, with deep troughs in the low or mid-bass, and a response of +3.5 dB . If I pretend that the floor is the “ceiling” I get a -4 dB trough at 62.5 Hz. Averaged, these 2 responses complement each other quite nicely.Am I on the right track? Many thanks,Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete B Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Allison effect and Bestplace programHi everyone,I have been trying out the Bestplace program by RDL Acoustics, which I got from this website.Now, in this program, one sets the straight-line distances from the centre of the woofer to the 3 closest room boundaries, these being labelled as the front wall, the floor and the side-wall.It struck me that there is another boundary that is relevant for the Allison effect – the ceiling. Since this distance is potentially of the same order of magnitude as the others, does anyone know if Bestplace takes the ceiling distance into account in its calculation (i.e. assumes a ceiling height and subtracts the floor distance)?Please correct me if the 4th boundary distance is not relevant to the approximation.My room dimensions are 6.6 m (21.65 ‘) by 4.5 m (14.76’) by 2.4 m (7.87’).The woofer centre is 1.0 m (39.4”) from the floor, when on its stand. This gives a distance of 1.4 m (55”) from the woofer centre to the ceiling.Bestplace with distances of Floor = 39”, Front = 31”, side = 14” gives quite a good result, with deep troughs in the low or mid-bass, and a response of +3.5 dB . If I pretend that the floor is the “ceiling” I get a -4 dB trough at 62.5 Hz. Averaged, these 2 responses complement each other quite nicely.Am I on the right track? Many thanks,DougHave you read Allison's AES papers? What he did was to compute, and measurethe effects of one, two, and 3 boundaries as they reinforce the output of a typicalspeaker. An Ar3? woofer only was used for the experiments, and IIRC they weredone outdoors, with the ground and concrete walls as boundaries so that therewas virtually no wall flex. The problem is simply a source summed with the "image"source(s) provided by the boundaries. Any finite spacing causes delay in the summationwith the resulting out of phase combination at certain frequencies. These data helpa loudspeaker designer understand how the system interacts with the nearby roomboundaries. It helped to determine new placements for the woofer as is seen in theAR-9, 90, Aliison's own speakers, and the NHT-3.3 and other similar models. Thepaper that covered boundary reinforcement did not consider a real room where theother walls come into play making it a cavity resonator. Wall flex was also not takeninto consideration which can reduce the boundary reinforcement effect.A speaker was measured in a large number of "typical" home rooms and the responsesaveraged in another paper by Allison, to determine if there were any common trends.These would take into account the room as a cavity resonator, but this is not a featureof the BestPlace program.To answer your question another boundary beyond what is provided in BestPlace cannotbe handled by the program since it provides a resonance condition where there will bestanding waves between the two boundaries. There are other programs that providesome insight into rooms as cavity resonators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jpk_1 Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Hi Doug,It's been a while since I've used that program. Some members on the yahoo Allison group are technically astute for those kind of calculations and measurements, as is Pete. You could ask over there too. Have you moved the speakers around and listened (or measured) with your calculations? Every room is different. It may be fun!JK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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